Post by STORMDANCER on Dec 12, 2011 23:33:19 GMT
As usual this morning I woke up, laid in bed around 7am and found myself thinking some deeply Philosophical thoughts...as I do....so I thought I would share them with you today.
If you were to take anything in the universe for example if you take even a large stone or a lump of crystal.. If you look at it ..and we define it by the parameters of what science says about what LIFE is....The stone is not LIFE...It does not reproduce. its basically according to us, how we perceive it. It's not self aware but if we expand our parameters of what we define as LIFE could we possibly even include minerals and what we see as innate matter? I mean who came up with the definition of what LIFE is anyway?...People did...We defined what the word LIFE means...We came up with the definition and I believe that definition has expanded throughout the centuries....But basically we still exclude 99.9% of the universe from LIFE! We say we are alive, but what are we made of? We are made of minerals, if you break it down further we are made of molecules and atoms and I guess we are aggregate, our physical bodies are aggregate of inner matter, yet we are alive! So we are a combination of innate matter that we consider to be dead, or non-LIFE and we are alive. So basically we are saying that LIFE comes from non-LIFE if that makes any sense...All things that we define as living are really aggregates of non-living substances......Think about it!
What if instead we decided we were going to expand our definition of what LIFE is to include all substances that are not inert, have a motion, and not just have a chaotic motion but all substances that follow some kind of law, because you know you cannot follow a law, any kind of law unless you have some kind of a degree even if minutely there of intelligence. Also if you look at the atoms we have ,as we were taught, atoms are made of protons and neutrons and electrons and they follow laws and they are never static, and if there was no type of intelligence there, maybe its not the same kind of intelligence as we define as intelligence as human intelligence but we also understand that there are different degrees of intelligence, even through the animals, plants which instinctively know to go towards the sun.. there is always in some form of LIFE some degree of intelligence....so....you keeping up lol... ....If there was no intelligence then in LIFE, LIFE would be pure chaos, there would be no atoms, there would be no laws, there would be no physics because there would be no intelligence.
I think we have a very limited perception of what we define as intelligence and what we define as LIFE. If we expand the parameters of what LIFE is and how we define it , I think it would be able to be.. and it would encompass the entire universe.
As far as our definition of LIFE is concerned at this moment in time.. humans exclude almost the entirety of what the universe is from LIFE...yet there is an intelligence in suns and stars....they follow some type of laws in physics and there has to be some type of intelligence in order for that to even take place. There has to be some type of intelligence for the atoms of our bodies and DNA to know how to form itself, to know how to create cells and there has to be some form of intelligence at work.
Another thought I was having.. yep more rambling sorry.. ...was that so many times in my posts and things I have written I use the word god. .I have to be frank with you that if I was actually to define what I mean by god it would not be what the majority of you and the world sees as god at all and this fits in with LIFE and I will explain...God to me is LIFE...Its LIFE...to me god is not an entity that is behind pearly gates and sits on a throne and is surrounded by angels that sing forever! I personally am going to say and this is my own opinion....but I believe that such a perspective of god is very immature...thats just how I judge it.. and you may disagree but i judge it that way and we all have our own perceptions of god etc .To me LIFE is god in fact in future when I write on the forum boards and anytime I use the word LIFE I am going to capitalize it as I have been doing on this post..just incase you wondered..lol...Just as the way the Christians etc would capitalize the word god. To me LIFE is god and so many people out there in the world claim to be atheists, which I totally respect, except for as I was pondering this morning about the definition of LIFE I wondered if atheists believed in LIFE? Do they think that all of everything is just inert lacking in consciousness or lacking intelligence. We dont know what consciousness is and I don't believe we ever will be able to fully define consciousness itself aside from consciousness being a state of being self aware.
What if there is some kind of grander picture that we don't quite see from our position within the puzzle. You know we are one of the pieces and we don't see from our perspective the entire puzzle, the infinite puzzle that makes up the whole tapestry of what LIFE is and what we define god as LIFE? Do you believe in LIFE? Do you believe you are self aware? ..What does that mean you are saying? If we were just all inert matter and even aggregates were inert matter, then there would be no LIFE and their would be no intelligence, there would be no consciousness ... you and I would not be communicating right now. If you sit down and close your eyes and think about the fact that you exist and you are aware of this, could that also mean that maybe there is something going on beyond what you physically understand?
In my opinion those people who claim to be atheist are no better than religionists ..I mean they are not scientific, if you are an atheist you have to come to terms with the fact that you are not scientific as in order to be scientific you have to have an open mind, and if you are an atheist you are saying that there is nothing beyond just inert matter...then that is extremely closed minded.. bit like religionists who are closed minded to everything else...........But if you look at the rock/crystal I started this post with, under an electron microscope you will see that the rock is not inert, every particle of it is moving, there is never one instant when that rock is the same as it was a nano second before. Now it looks like a crystal/rock from our perspective but if you delve deeper into the essence of the rock you will see a non-static intelligence at work.
I think we need to expand our parameters of what we believe LIFE is. I also think that most people who claim to be atheists are not really atheists, I believe that they would open their minds to say " you know what, I don’t know what god is I don't believe he lives on a throne in the clouds or whatever people think but there is something else going on beyond what I understand"...and if that’s what you feel about things you are not an atheist you are an agnostic.. This means that you do not know what god is, you do not know what LIFE is or consciousness is..to me all of the three words are the same....you don't know what it is but you are willing to know there is something going on that you don't understand.. a grander scheme...So if you consider yourself to be an atheist.. which is fine.. I don't care if anyone is an atheist or not this is not a debate on whether their is a god or not....that is not what this is about...But I would like you to think about what you believe.. because if you believe in LIFE...in LIFE.....self awareness etc you are not an atheist.
My brain hurts!!!!!!
Peace and love
Storm xxxxxxxx
If you were to take anything in the universe for example if you take even a large stone or a lump of crystal.. If you look at it ..and we define it by the parameters of what science says about what LIFE is....The stone is not LIFE...It does not reproduce. its basically according to us, how we perceive it. It's not self aware but if we expand our parameters of what we define as LIFE could we possibly even include minerals and what we see as innate matter? I mean who came up with the definition of what LIFE is anyway?...People did...We defined what the word LIFE means...We came up with the definition and I believe that definition has expanded throughout the centuries....But basically we still exclude 99.9% of the universe from LIFE! We say we are alive, but what are we made of? We are made of minerals, if you break it down further we are made of molecules and atoms and I guess we are aggregate, our physical bodies are aggregate of inner matter, yet we are alive! So we are a combination of innate matter that we consider to be dead, or non-LIFE and we are alive. So basically we are saying that LIFE comes from non-LIFE if that makes any sense...All things that we define as living are really aggregates of non-living substances......Think about it!
What if instead we decided we were going to expand our definition of what LIFE is to include all substances that are not inert, have a motion, and not just have a chaotic motion but all substances that follow some kind of law, because you know you cannot follow a law, any kind of law unless you have some kind of a degree even if minutely there of intelligence. Also if you look at the atoms we have ,as we were taught, atoms are made of protons and neutrons and electrons and they follow laws and they are never static, and if there was no type of intelligence there, maybe its not the same kind of intelligence as we define as intelligence as human intelligence but we also understand that there are different degrees of intelligence, even through the animals, plants which instinctively know to go towards the sun.. there is always in some form of LIFE some degree of intelligence....so....you keeping up lol... ....If there was no intelligence then in LIFE, LIFE would be pure chaos, there would be no atoms, there would be no laws, there would be no physics because there would be no intelligence.
I think we have a very limited perception of what we define as intelligence and what we define as LIFE. If we expand the parameters of what LIFE is and how we define it , I think it would be able to be.. and it would encompass the entire universe.
As far as our definition of LIFE is concerned at this moment in time.. humans exclude almost the entirety of what the universe is from LIFE...yet there is an intelligence in suns and stars....they follow some type of laws in physics and there has to be some type of intelligence in order for that to even take place. There has to be some type of intelligence for the atoms of our bodies and DNA to know how to form itself, to know how to create cells and there has to be some form of intelligence at work.
Another thought I was having.. yep more rambling sorry.. ...was that so many times in my posts and things I have written I use the word god. .I have to be frank with you that if I was actually to define what I mean by god it would not be what the majority of you and the world sees as god at all and this fits in with LIFE and I will explain...God to me is LIFE...Its LIFE...to me god is not an entity that is behind pearly gates and sits on a throne and is surrounded by angels that sing forever! I personally am going to say and this is my own opinion....but I believe that such a perspective of god is very immature...thats just how I judge it.. and you may disagree but i judge it that way and we all have our own perceptions of god etc .To me LIFE is god in fact in future when I write on the forum boards and anytime I use the word LIFE I am going to capitalize it as I have been doing on this post..just incase you wondered..lol...Just as the way the Christians etc would capitalize the word god. To me LIFE is god and so many people out there in the world claim to be atheists, which I totally respect, except for as I was pondering this morning about the definition of LIFE I wondered if atheists believed in LIFE? Do they think that all of everything is just inert lacking in consciousness or lacking intelligence. We dont know what consciousness is and I don't believe we ever will be able to fully define consciousness itself aside from consciousness being a state of being self aware.
What if there is some kind of grander picture that we don't quite see from our position within the puzzle. You know we are one of the pieces and we don't see from our perspective the entire puzzle, the infinite puzzle that makes up the whole tapestry of what LIFE is and what we define god as LIFE? Do you believe in LIFE? Do you believe you are self aware? ..What does that mean you are saying? If we were just all inert matter and even aggregates were inert matter, then there would be no LIFE and their would be no intelligence, there would be no consciousness ... you and I would not be communicating right now. If you sit down and close your eyes and think about the fact that you exist and you are aware of this, could that also mean that maybe there is something going on beyond what you physically understand?
In my opinion those people who claim to be atheist are no better than religionists ..I mean they are not scientific, if you are an atheist you have to come to terms with the fact that you are not scientific as in order to be scientific you have to have an open mind, and if you are an atheist you are saying that there is nothing beyond just inert matter...then that is extremely closed minded.. bit like religionists who are closed minded to everything else...........But if you look at the rock/crystal I started this post with, under an electron microscope you will see that the rock is not inert, every particle of it is moving, there is never one instant when that rock is the same as it was a nano second before. Now it looks like a crystal/rock from our perspective but if you delve deeper into the essence of the rock you will see a non-static intelligence at work.
I think we need to expand our parameters of what we believe LIFE is. I also think that most people who claim to be atheists are not really atheists, I believe that they would open their minds to say " you know what, I don’t know what god is I don't believe he lives on a throne in the clouds or whatever people think but there is something else going on beyond what I understand"...and if that’s what you feel about things you are not an atheist you are an agnostic.. This means that you do not know what god is, you do not know what LIFE is or consciousness is..to me all of the three words are the same....you don't know what it is but you are willing to know there is something going on that you don't understand.. a grander scheme...So if you consider yourself to be an atheist.. which is fine.. I don't care if anyone is an atheist or not this is not a debate on whether their is a god or not....that is not what this is about...But I would like you to think about what you believe.. because if you believe in LIFE...in LIFE.....self awareness etc you are not an atheist.
My brain hurts!!!!!!
Peace and love
Storm xxxxxxxx
