Post by STORMDANCER on Jun 4, 2011 18:18:53 GMT
I am fascinated by the fact that the media lies to us over and over again and yet we still use them as a source of evidence to back up our claims (me included). Personally (or not so personal because my views are shaped by the media, mystics, scientists etc) I believe that all that we know we know is only because we think we know and also it is considered "right" because we believe that something can be considered evidence to be proof enough to allow us to believe something is right for a law of logic we believe to be correct way of measuring that which is from belief, however it is also requires belief for this also. Our actions are shaped by our beliefs mainly rooted in the unconscious/subconscious mind that comes from outside and inside sources.
I found a saying in an astrology book once that stated: The only thing we know for sure is that we believe.
It is my belief that the world is a construct of our beliefs. People say things like "the laws of physics will happen whether you believe in them or not". My answer to this is that there are literally millions of people who have performed feats that "defy belief" and also that our subconscious hooks into a collective unconscious which has a certain belief pattern for how reality is and that when we experience being a human we also take on these laws of reality unconsciously. Also I agree with a new popular notion that DNA also records belief (consciously and unconsciously) and that we are at the mercy of the notions and beliefs of both dna and the unconscious mind and so when someone can do something like move a truck to save the life of a baby they temporary over ride this system (via panic and fear) of reality their dna and subconscious mind has installed. When people can meditate for long periods and perform feats like internal heating like some monks in Tibet, some of these monks can produce so much internal heat that they can dry wet towels put on their backs. Hence people can work on their beliefs and focus them so much that they have a long term effect on themselves and the illusory "outside world". It takes much effort and discipline to do this though. I call the outside world "illusory" because both religion and science claim that reality is all in the mind. Hence if one changes their mind they also change their reality including laws of physics etc that manifest from it.
Anyways, since I am a lover of quotes (because of their ability to encapsulate vast knowledge in a singular sentence) I thought I would put up some quotes and writings to show the media's influence on what we think is possible and not possible. Rulers from ancient times to modern times have known that a good media machine can produce propaganda to affect the populaces beliefs and therefore affect their reality.
Hence why it is important to doubt everything! Because by doubting everything you philosophize and think over it thoroughly and so feel your way to your faith (beliefs) through your own intellectual and intuitive prowess. This isn’t a rigid thread but an open vibe thread of belief, media and doubting. It is kind a an outlet for me to express why I basically don’t believe mainstream media on nearly any issue and more inclined to ridiculed researchers like David Icke. There is just as much a chance he is lying like the rest but it is my personal right to agree with him if I choose to and the same goes for all who choose to disagree. Much quotes will be about pro peace and why we shouldn’t believe dirty politicians when they say we ought to go to war and slaughter innocent women and children....John Howard and George Bush and all the rest of the western and eastern warmongers I hope you are reading. This is one free thinker you'll never convince that war is a means to peace.
I hope you like these quotes and learn something from them. If not then all the best to you anyway.
Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know.
---Zensunni koan (from a fictional book but truthful and can be applied in the "real" world whatever that is)
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. (Siddhartha Gautama - The Buddha), 563-483 B.C.
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. (Julius Caesar)
'And I think that you too would call it propaganda when people are enticed into a change of opinion by promises of pleasure, or terrified into it by threats?'
'Yes, propaganda and deceit always go together.' (Plato, Republic)
Most of one's life is one prolonged effort to prevent onself thinking. --Aldous Huxley
Freedom of thought is the greatest of all freedoms. ---David Icke
What luck for rulers, that men do not think. ---Adolf Hitler
In a time of universal deceit- telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --Gerge Orwell
If we have the courage to decide for peace, we will have peace. --Albert Einstien
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. ---George Orwell
Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket. ---George Orwell
The hand that rules the press, the radio, the screen and far-spread magazine, rules the country. --Unknown (truthful saying nevertheless)
Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it. --Stephen Leacock
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. --Adolf Hitler
History is writte by the winners. --Unknown
Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets. --Napolean Bonaparte
Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the recent, controls the past. --George Orwell
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas --Joseph Stalin
Whoever controls the media, controls the mind. --Jim Morrison
The propagandist's purpose is to make on set of people forget tha certain other sets of people are human. --Aldous Huxley
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses. ---Malcom X
Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper. --George Orwell
The TV is a gun, pointed at the viewer. ---Astrology book
Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it. ---Adolf Hitler
What is absurd and monstrous about war is that men who have no personal quarrel should be trained to murder one another in cold blood. ---Aldous Huxley
When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing more to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader. --Plato
Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemie's resistence without fighting. --Sun Tzu (author of "the art of war")
All warefare is based on deception. --Sun Tzu . . . . . . . decpetion by the media perhaps and lying politicians?
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There is no instance of a country havng benefited from prolonged warfare. --- Sun Tzu
He who allows oppression, shares the crime. --Erasmus Darwin
Take away the right to say "f*&^" and you take away the right to say "f*&^ the government." --Lenny Bruce
You cant separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom. ---Malcom X
Death is softer by far than tyranny. --Aeschylus
Fear is the foundation of most goverments. --- John Adams
Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system. --Bruce Lee
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. --Cornelius Tacitus
Those who are too smart to engage in poltics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ---Plato People learnt that the hard way with George Bush hahahaha laugh.gif
Freedom of speech means that you shall not do something to people either for views they express or the words they speak or write. --Hugo Blake
A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governmed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureacracy. --Aldous Huxley
He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishesa precedent which will reach to himself. --Thomas Paine
In politics stupidity is not a handicap. ---Napolean Bonaparte
It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error, it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. --- Robert. H. Jackson
Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. ---Leo Tolstoy
If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost. --- Aristotle
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence. --- Leonardo da Vinci
. . . . . . the mass media. What are they? They're huge corporations, massive corporations, linked up with even bigger corporations. They sell audiences to other businesses, namely advertisers. So when you turn on the television set, CBS doesnt make any money. They make money from the advertisers. You're the product that they're selling, and the same is true of the daily newspaper. They're huge corporations, selling audiences, potential consumers, to other businesses, all linked up closely to the government, especially the big media. What picture of the world do you expect them to present?
--Noam Chomsky
"If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." --Rene Descartes
I found my faith through doubting:
Where there is great doubt, there will be great awakening; small doubt, small awakening, no doubt, no awakening. ---Zen saying
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I found a saying in an astrology book once that stated: The only thing we know for sure is that we believe.
It is my belief that the world is a construct of our beliefs. People say things like "the laws of physics will happen whether you believe in them or not". My answer to this is that there are literally millions of people who have performed feats that "defy belief" and also that our subconscious hooks into a collective unconscious which has a certain belief pattern for how reality is and that when we experience being a human we also take on these laws of reality unconsciously. Also I agree with a new popular notion that DNA also records belief (consciously and unconsciously) and that we are at the mercy of the notions and beliefs of both dna and the unconscious mind and so when someone can do something like move a truck to save the life of a baby they temporary over ride this system (via panic and fear) of reality their dna and subconscious mind has installed. When people can meditate for long periods and perform feats like internal heating like some monks in Tibet, some of these monks can produce so much internal heat that they can dry wet towels put on their backs. Hence people can work on their beliefs and focus them so much that they have a long term effect on themselves and the illusory "outside world". It takes much effort and discipline to do this though. I call the outside world "illusory" because both religion and science claim that reality is all in the mind. Hence if one changes their mind they also change their reality including laws of physics etc that manifest from it.
Anyways, since I am a lover of quotes (because of their ability to encapsulate vast knowledge in a singular sentence) I thought I would put up some quotes and writings to show the media's influence on what we think is possible and not possible. Rulers from ancient times to modern times have known that a good media machine can produce propaganda to affect the populaces beliefs and therefore affect their reality.
Hence why it is important to doubt everything! Because by doubting everything you philosophize and think over it thoroughly and so feel your way to your faith (beliefs) through your own intellectual and intuitive prowess. This isn’t a rigid thread but an open vibe thread of belief, media and doubting. It is kind a an outlet for me to express why I basically don’t believe mainstream media on nearly any issue and more inclined to ridiculed researchers like David Icke. There is just as much a chance he is lying like the rest but it is my personal right to agree with him if I choose to and the same goes for all who choose to disagree. Much quotes will be about pro peace and why we shouldn’t believe dirty politicians when they say we ought to go to war and slaughter innocent women and children....John Howard and George Bush and all the rest of the western and eastern warmongers I hope you are reading. This is one free thinker you'll never convince that war is a means to peace.
I hope you like these quotes and learn something from them. If not then all the best to you anyway.
Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know.
---Zensunni koan (from a fictional book but truthful and can be applied in the "real" world whatever that is)
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. (Siddhartha Gautama - The Buddha), 563-483 B.C.
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. (Julius Caesar)
'And I think that you too would call it propaganda when people are enticed into a change of opinion by promises of pleasure, or terrified into it by threats?'
'Yes, propaganda and deceit always go together.' (Plato, Republic)
Most of one's life is one prolonged effort to prevent onself thinking. --Aldous Huxley
Freedom of thought is the greatest of all freedoms. ---David Icke
What luck for rulers, that men do not think. ---Adolf Hitler
In a time of universal deceit- telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --Gerge Orwell
If we have the courage to decide for peace, we will have peace. --Albert Einstien
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. ---George Orwell
Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket. ---George Orwell
The hand that rules the press, the radio, the screen and far-spread magazine, rules the country. --Unknown (truthful saying nevertheless)
Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it. --Stephen Leacock
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. --Adolf Hitler
History is writte by the winners. --Unknown
Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets. --Napolean Bonaparte
Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the recent, controls the past. --George Orwell
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas --Joseph Stalin
Whoever controls the media, controls the mind. --Jim Morrison
The propagandist's purpose is to make on set of people forget tha certain other sets of people are human. --Aldous Huxley
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses. ---Malcom X
Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper. --George Orwell
The TV is a gun, pointed at the viewer. ---Astrology book
Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it. ---Adolf Hitler
What is absurd and monstrous about war is that men who have no personal quarrel should be trained to murder one another in cold blood. ---Aldous Huxley
When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing more to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader. --Plato
Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemie's resistence without fighting. --Sun Tzu (author of "the art of war")
All warefare is based on deception. --Sun Tzu . . . . . . . decpetion by the media perhaps and lying politicians?
cool.gifThere is no instance of a country havng benefited from prolonged warfare. --- Sun Tzu
He who allows oppression, shares the crime. --Erasmus Darwin
Take away the right to say "f*&^" and you take away the right to say "f*&^ the government." --Lenny Bruce
You cant separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom. ---Malcom X
Death is softer by far than tyranny. --Aeschylus
Fear is the foundation of most goverments. --- John Adams
Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system. --Bruce Lee
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. --Cornelius Tacitus
Those who are too smart to engage in poltics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ---Plato People learnt that the hard way with George Bush hahahaha laugh.gif
Freedom of speech means that you shall not do something to people either for views they express or the words they speak or write. --Hugo Blake
A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governmed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureacracy. --Aldous Huxley
He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishesa precedent which will reach to himself. --Thomas Paine
In politics stupidity is not a handicap. ---Napolean Bonaparte
It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error, it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. --- Robert. H. Jackson
Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. ---Leo Tolstoy
If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost. --- Aristotle
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence. --- Leonardo da Vinci
. . . . . . the mass media. What are they? They're huge corporations, massive corporations, linked up with even bigger corporations. They sell audiences to other businesses, namely advertisers. So when you turn on the television set, CBS doesnt make any money. They make money from the advertisers. You're the product that they're selling, and the same is true of the daily newspaper. They're huge corporations, selling audiences, potential consumers, to other businesses, all linked up closely to the government, especially the big media. What picture of the world do you expect them to present?
--Noam Chomsky
"If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." --Rene Descartes
I found my faith through doubting:
Where there is great doubt, there will be great awakening; small doubt, small awakening, no doubt, no awakening. ---Zen saying
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