Post by STORMDANCER on Apr 1, 2012 11:48:34 GMT
Most new agers and people who are into new thought, consider the whole idea of a hell to me a myth and that basically self realization is just understanding our unity with all things and it is just going to evolve, and basically that is true....but there are a lot of things that they don't talk about. One thing is the definition of 'hell'...I wanted to give you a new definition of 'hell'...Something that I learned first hand...Imagine loving someone so much, and you did something terrible, maybe many times to hurt that person, and without forgiveness, imagine that, that person never wants to see you ever...ever...EVER...Not after this life...Not ever. Because of something you have done. And without the forgiveness then that is going to come between you. Basically though let’s say that forgiveness was not extended, so you decide you are going to go on...Where do you go? Any place you would go, it wouldn't matter how beautiful the place is, no matter how beautiful the country, no matter how blissful or peaceful you feel...without the association of that person...That would be 'hell'.
I have come to realise that 'hell' is a very real state. i don't think that the universe intends for any state to be a permanent forever lasting infinity kind of thing, but it sure can feel like it, and as long as it feels like it, as long as it feels like forever, then forever is a very, very, very long time...so it kind of goes back to the topic of forgiveness.
First of all when you have wronged somebody in a life time or many life times and forgiveness isn't extended or accepted, then especially if that person is somebody you care about, someone you associate with or wanted to associate with....that you feel you could never imagine yourself without...That state of being separate is 'hell'...basically.....I'm going around in circles and it is all coming back to the topic of forgiveness and that is one of the things I wanted to touch upon today.
So many things I have shared in other posts about time and space, about conscious creation, about manifesting your relativity and all of the things the 'so called' masters teach...which I am not one of....Those are all wonderful things, they help us reawaken to unity, but it is more important to actually forgive, because beyond this life you are going to reawaken to unity. It is our state; our natural state...Unity...Unity of the universe...Unity of everybody...Unity of all things is our natural state.
That's going to happen, your going to reawaken to greater portions of your higher self whether you know about it or not, whether you understand about simultaneous time or about parallel realities or about conscious creation. The reality is beyond this life you are going to wake up to those things anyways. But without forgiveness....Forgiveness is what keeps you stuck in the illusion, without forgiveness stuck in the illusion of separation.. Which is a hell especially when you feel separation from somebody, a person or persons that you care about deeply, remaining separate or the idea that you can never be part of that person or associate...That's 'hell'.
I put the understanding of mystic realities ahead of a greater understanding of how important forgiveness is. Again I want to say that it doesn't matter how much you understand about any mystic realities, without forgiveness you are never going to reach them anyways. Their have been times in my own life where I have been hurt so deeply, at times by other people, that in my anger, and in my self pity, in my anger at the universe, because of something that I perceived, that felt genuinely painful to me...in my anger I did not ever desire to be one with those who had hurt me....and so what that does is it keeps me from returning to that state. Now they are there anyways, we exist at all higher levels, but to actually realise it, you can't realise that unity without forgiving others, because without forgiveness you are not going to want to return to that state...You would rather stay in your anger, your sadness, your regret, despair, self hatred...you would rather stay in those states and keep yourself separate, even though you are not.....perceive yourself as separate even though you are not....Then to forgive and open yourself up to who you really are beyond time and space.
Without forgiveness and without accepting forgiveness that’s another thing too I don't want to go off on a tangent but, you can be forgiven of something, especially if you hurt somebody you really care about...That's when accepting forgiveness is the hardest because you want to naturally accept it, but then at the same time you hate yourself so much because of something you have done that was so horrible...so basically you would rather linger in despair and regret and in sadness then to accept the forgiveness and move on with that person.
I think that accepting forgiveness and extending forgiveness go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.. Now you can imagine if you forgave somebody genuinely because you love the person and they had wronged you perhaps many times deeply, and you forgave that person, you wanted that person to go on with you, to go onto a higher state of consciousness, and that person accepts your forgiveness..but decides that he or she is so angry at his self that he would rather linger in darkness and despair than to accept the forgiveness, relinquish self hatred and move on...and if that happens, if you love somebody that you forgave them probably you wouldn't want to leave them in that darkness...so you probably end up staying there with them....I know I would, stay their with them until they relinquish it, so actually you are punishing the person again that have forgiven you.. It goes hand in hand. I see it as a circle, a loop that is connected between accepting forgiveness and extending.
I want to say one more time before I end. .It is important to understand those things that it is to understand the higher realities, but...The higher realities are what we are here to understand and learn how to master as well....and we are going to screw up....we are going to screw up......I hate to say that but it is probable especially if you are someone who is continuing to want to grow and expand and try new things...It's going to happen. .so again forgiveness is in there too. So I saw the picture but I saw it as an independent journey I really didn't see it as the forgiveness was essential as much as it is.
Peace and Love
Storm xx
I have come to realise that 'hell' is a very real state. i don't think that the universe intends for any state to be a permanent forever lasting infinity kind of thing, but it sure can feel like it, and as long as it feels like it, as long as it feels like forever, then forever is a very, very, very long time...so it kind of goes back to the topic of forgiveness.
First of all when you have wronged somebody in a life time or many life times and forgiveness isn't extended or accepted, then especially if that person is somebody you care about, someone you associate with or wanted to associate with....that you feel you could never imagine yourself without...That state of being separate is 'hell'...basically.....I'm going around in circles and it is all coming back to the topic of forgiveness and that is one of the things I wanted to touch upon today.
So many things I have shared in other posts about time and space, about conscious creation, about manifesting your relativity and all of the things the 'so called' masters teach...which I am not one of....Those are all wonderful things, they help us reawaken to unity, but it is more important to actually forgive, because beyond this life you are going to reawaken to unity. It is our state; our natural state...Unity...Unity of the universe...Unity of everybody...Unity of all things is our natural state.
That's going to happen, your going to reawaken to greater portions of your higher self whether you know about it or not, whether you understand about simultaneous time or about parallel realities or about conscious creation. The reality is beyond this life you are going to wake up to those things anyways. But without forgiveness....Forgiveness is what keeps you stuck in the illusion, without forgiveness stuck in the illusion of separation.. Which is a hell especially when you feel separation from somebody, a person or persons that you care about deeply, remaining separate or the idea that you can never be part of that person or associate...That's 'hell'.
I put the understanding of mystic realities ahead of a greater understanding of how important forgiveness is. Again I want to say that it doesn't matter how much you understand about any mystic realities, without forgiveness you are never going to reach them anyways. Their have been times in my own life where I have been hurt so deeply, at times by other people, that in my anger, and in my self pity, in my anger at the universe, because of something that I perceived, that felt genuinely painful to me...in my anger I did not ever desire to be one with those who had hurt me....and so what that does is it keeps me from returning to that state. Now they are there anyways, we exist at all higher levels, but to actually realise it, you can't realise that unity without forgiving others, because without forgiveness you are not going to want to return to that state...You would rather stay in your anger, your sadness, your regret, despair, self hatred...you would rather stay in those states and keep yourself separate, even though you are not.....perceive yourself as separate even though you are not....Then to forgive and open yourself up to who you really are beyond time and space.
Without forgiveness and without accepting forgiveness that’s another thing too I don't want to go off on a tangent but, you can be forgiven of something, especially if you hurt somebody you really care about...That's when accepting forgiveness is the hardest because you want to naturally accept it, but then at the same time you hate yourself so much because of something you have done that was so horrible...so basically you would rather linger in despair and regret and in sadness then to accept the forgiveness and move on with that person.
I think that accepting forgiveness and extending forgiveness go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.. Now you can imagine if you forgave somebody genuinely because you love the person and they had wronged you perhaps many times deeply, and you forgave that person, you wanted that person to go on with you, to go onto a higher state of consciousness, and that person accepts your forgiveness..but decides that he or she is so angry at his self that he would rather linger in darkness and despair than to accept the forgiveness, relinquish self hatred and move on...and if that happens, if you love somebody that you forgave them probably you wouldn't want to leave them in that darkness...so you probably end up staying there with them....I know I would, stay their with them until they relinquish it, so actually you are punishing the person again that have forgiven you.. It goes hand in hand. I see it as a circle, a loop that is connected between accepting forgiveness and extending.
I want to say one more time before I end. .It is important to understand those things that it is to understand the higher realities, but...The higher realities are what we are here to understand and learn how to master as well....and we are going to screw up....we are going to screw up......I hate to say that but it is probable especially if you are someone who is continuing to want to grow and expand and try new things...It's going to happen. .so again forgiveness is in there too. So I saw the picture but I saw it as an independent journey I really didn't see it as the forgiveness was essential as much as it is.
Peace and Love
Storm xx
